Welcome to the forum, Dom! Trusting the snow melt is not causing too much slipping and sliding?

Amazing how the old German cartridges are slowly being recognised for what they are: When the excellent .260 Remington (you have the pre-production version I know, and must have been one of the first to exploit its potential) was not appreciated for what it was the 6.5x55 had been chugging along doing its thing for about 100 years.

The 30-06 necked to 6.5mm will emulate the 6.5x64 Brenneke I believe.

Member SteveP. is planning to build a 6.5x68 Schuler, as is Japie, the local hunting outfitter I associate with - the latter wanting it in a single action for culling where brain shots are required at 220-250 yards.

Because of the powder capacity of the Schuler case and its European rated pressure Japie will probably settle on the GRC HV 121gr at 3 500 ft/sec.

The 6.6-06 should mirror 6.5X284 pretty closely and be quite a shooter. Who's barrel did you use? I'm not a fan of Barnes bullets as I've had little success as IMO they have a velocity ange hat needs to be followed closely or they don't perform well. They either don't open up and pencil through or the petals come completely off on initial impact and the shank pencils through. Accuracy in my 30-06AI and 300RUM was less than I'd accept with my smallest group being just over 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards. If they work for you then you've done better than me. Good luck!!

Allen

The barrel used is an "E.R. Shaw" stainless 1/8 twist. I have several Shaw barreled rifles & all shoot with pleasing accuracy. As to the Barnes bullets I have not had a problem with accuracy. They deliver stellar accuracy in my rifles. Barnes bullets require deep seating . They should be seated .050 off the lands to start with. Some times deeper. Seating depth is critical. I have taken many elk with them over the years including two last season. I have never seen them fail to expand & leave good size exit holes. I have never lost an elk using the Barnes bullets & have never recovered a bullet with all passing completely thru. My cal of choice is 6.5 with a 120gr TSX. I have taken a few muley bucks with the Barnes bullets with complete success. I see no need for such a stout bullet for deer & we use basic C&C bullets for our deer with no problem. I went with the 6.5-06 instead of the 6.5-284 because of the large amount of 06 & 270 brass I have & the 06 Ruger action I had on hand. the Hope I have been of some help.

Thanks for update. I've heard good things about Shaw barrels. Deeper seating may e at I was doing wrong. I've gotten great loads worked up with CnC bullets in the rifles mentioned, and I'm not keen on starting anew lol. Keep us posted onoonyonyouron development.

Allen

The geometry of the 30-06 case is perfect for specific energy release per grain of propellant, having emulated the 7x57. That 6.5 will be a pleasure, Dom, I am sure.

Outfitter Japie Folscher wants the 68 mm case of the Schuler for his 6.5mm culler and member Steve wants it because he likes the old German cartridges which 100 years ago all had been doing things we only attempting now.

The case which has never been necked down is the 7.5x55 of the Swiss. Having shot against the K31 in international Bisley I was astonished at both the accuracy of stock military rifles and the performance of this high pressure cartridge. Just to be different this would be my choice for a 6.5 mm hunter.

We know that once the bullet has left the case mouth the geometric shape of that combustion chamber has zero influence on accuracy, but to be different is good.

Over many years I have taken numerous elk with various bullets , C&C, Nosler Part., Barnes "X" & TSX in the 338Mag,7x57, 7mag, & my various 6.5's. Witnessed numerous kills with the 270 & the TSX bullet which works positively on elk. My personal opinion which I base on my experience in the field is that I get just as clean one shot kills on elk from the Barnes 120gr X & TSX in cal's like 260Rem/6.5x55 as I got with any of the more traditional more powerful cartridge's use on elk. I am a firm believer in understanding the vascular, muscular, & skeletal structure of the game hunted. As Walter Maitland ( Karamojo Bell ) wrote, I strive for pinpoint placement of the bullet. Also try to make a point of keeping my shooting range as moderate as possible. Sometimes terrain & vegetation prohibits getting closer but most of the time I have been able to get closer. . As i have stated before 99% of the elk me & mine have taken has been under 200yds. Mostly well under 200yds. I do practice at longer range & understand the capability of the cal I'm using. i am fortunate in living on a piece of land that gives me the opportunity to shoot whenever I wish. Every now & then I will pick up a rifle & shoot at a 300 to 400yd target just to reinforce my understanding of the bullets path. Practice , practice , practice. Just an old ( 72 ) year old hunter trying to put meat in the freezer. Packed out two elk last year . God for sure has blessed me & mine. Love this site. Dom

Ahh... so I am not alone in my 5 months to go to 73 and blessed with the ability to keep up with the 40s- and under in the hunt.... I really, really respect you for stalking to under 200 yards and for surgical shot placement - and for using an accurate rifle that shoots minute of a deer's heart and not minute of deer, which seems to be the acceptable norm for hunting for many.

The giraffe hunt I attended the other day was to learn because there is quite an over population of them in South Africa and it has the most excellent meat - lots of it. More and more butchers buy the meat so I shall be hunting them more regularly from now on. US hunters used to worry about what type mount to do, but this young Texas girl and her hubby had the best idea - a full flat skin with the cape intact.

Talking about knowledge of the anatomy: The ranch PH who guided that schoolboy to shoot the first giraffe impressed me no end. When we came into position the brush was too high and obscured the heart and I indicated to André the PH that I would wait for the two bulls to move on to a clearer area but he showed that they were getting restless. Then he whispered to the kid a specific point on the skin pattern. I was sure the shot was going to be high and pushed the safety off my .303. The bull ran and I ran on a cut- off line but after 20 yards it fell fell down and died.

After skinning and during quartering I traced the bullet path. It had completely severed the pulmonary artery. He knew exactly where it runs in the giraffe at that high position in the chest. Now I know too.

Dom, have you had opportunity to shoot your 6.5x63 again? Do you trim the case to 30-06 length or left it as it is after resizing? What is the heaviest Barnes that will sit at the neck line and fit into your rifle's magazine and freebore?

I hope to achieve 2,800 ft/sec with the base of Peregrine 140gr VRG-3 seated at the neck line of the 7x64 case, and 2,900 ft/sec with the 132 gr VRG-4 just below the neck line.

Here is a photo of the .312" 168gr VRG-3 I use in my Lee Enfield .303 Brit at just over 2,600 ft/sec. A PMP 174 gr is to the right - also 2,600 ft/sec.

My 6.5-06 ( 6.5x53 ) is out having open sites installed. So no shooting until it comes back. I have a phobia about depending on only the scope especially when I way back in some remote area. There has been no need to trim 30-06 brass size to 6.5-06. I merely make sure the necks are square. OAL seems to come out right on the money. If 270 Win brass is used trimming is absolutely needed. Since the 6.5 120gr Barnes TSX has been so successful for me I have not tried any heavier bullet in this rifle. A few years back I tried some 130gr Barnes in another 6.5 & shot a couple elk with them. I got the exact same results as with the 120grTSX. One shot kill with complete penetration. So I stick with the 120gr. With these homogeneous bullets requiring .050 seating depth I see no reason why a 140gr bullet could not be easily be accommodated. The Ruger Hawkeye magazine is more than long enough & Ruger actions & magazines seem to be a bit shorter than Rem. or Win. actions.

L see no reason why you could not easily get 2900FPS with the 132 gr bullet. I have found a powder a bit on the slow side works best in this case. I had no problem getting 3235FPS ( 24" Bbl. ) with the Barnes 120gr TSX & Alliant Rel. 22 powder & standard L.R. primer.

When it comes to penetration I have found these homogeneous bullets to be awesome. They have to be tried to be believe. I believe the 140 gr Barnes could take on Tyrannosaurs Rex.

Instead of building a 6.5x64 Brenneke I may just decide to buy a new Musgrave 7x64 Brenneke and ask them to fit a 26" 6.5mm barrel. They do not build the 6.5x64. My first and second generation Musgraves now belong to my sons and I miss the darn things.

Here is the promised photo of the .312" Peregrine 168gr VRG-3 bullets I use in my .303. The bullet on the right is a PMP locked core 174 gr. Both go at 2,600 ft/sec because my Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.I likes that barrel time. The PMP case is once fired and neck resized.

That 168gr VRG-3 looks like it could shoot down rock walls.

Hey Dom,

Pity you are not here. I need to cull twenty young adult blue wildebeest bulls over two weekends. Only brain shots allowed, or first vertebrae behind the head. The meat will go to butcheries and I shall take maybe 100lbs.

That is work for .308W and 150gr / 7x57 and 140g / .270W and 140gr / 7x64 and 140gr / 6.5-06 130gr / 6.5x55 and 120gr / .260 Rem and 120gr / 25-06 117 gr. The best bullet for this is the Hornady SST. Accuracy is important at 180-220 yards so a hard kicker is not your best choice.

The penetration of that VRG-3 from the .303 above is indeed very pleasing on big animals and meat damage is zero.

What's the terrain like where the culling will take place?

Rolling hills with some brush and ability to stalk to 180-220 yards. Good time of the year as there is little wind. Problem is these fool things shake their heads when nervous. They are family herd animals, spread out when grazing. You shoot one and they run into the next hollow. Get within eyesight and now they are closer together, but still one can identify one and kill it. Then they are into another little valley and knows what is on.

Now they tend to be bunched together, scanning for movement and nervous, so identifying a young bull takes time.

Young cow

Unable to tell whether it is a youngish bull or cow

Old cow

Young bull

Yeah, that's a tough call for sure. No pizzle string to give them away!!

In the bulls one can see a sheath, but the cows have a little false protrusion as well so one must follow it towards the rear to look for a "string".

I have a 6.5x06. Wanted one for a long time and about 15yrs ago got there. Anymore I shoot it now and then at long range paper and it's awsome. 140gr SMK. I hunted with a number of time's for deer and elk. The 140gr Hornady bullet is just right on a deer, doesn't tear anything up and always exits. Pretty much the same on elk. My understanding is that it is about like the old 256 Newton! I don't have a lot of rifle's by any stretch of the imagine but I have 2 6.5's, the 06 and a nice mod 70 in 6.5x55. Love those 6.5's'

Maybe that 6.5-06 is the ultimate lightweight hunter with 140gr Hornady Interbonds or Interlocks. The 6.5x55 is an impressive performer when loaded to European and South African pressures and not the SAAMI downgraded loads.

Hey there fischerantip. Nice to hear of your success with your 6.5-06. The various 6.5's I have, have proven to be totally competent taking the largest deer & elk. The Sierra 6.5 120gr spt. has been my go to bullet for muley's & the Baunes 120gr X & TSX for elk. They have performed admirably There are various 6.5 bullets that work if placed in that sweet spot. I enjoy what I find to be inherent accuracy & mild recoil in the 6.5's. I will be using my new 6.5-06 on my elk hunt this coming October. Dom